Debating troubles

keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:05:16 PM): you wanna talk/?
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:07:24 PM): yeah
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:07:36 PM): speak
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:07:45 PM): something bothering you?
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:07:51 PM): nope..
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:08:07 PM): unless u mean teaming up with quek.. yes
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:08:11 PM): i have to rego by 12am.
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:08:19 PM): ive got 2 things to talk to you about.
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:08:23 PM): well do the 2nd one first
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:08:50 PM): cyber is having is having probs rego for phillipines
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:09:01 PM): they cant meet the n-1 for adjudication
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:09:14 PM): so they requested for adeline
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:09:16 PM): ok
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:09:18 PM): that`s fine
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:09:27 PM): since they saw our list of potential candidates
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:09:29 PM):
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:10:02 PM): so. will that means any subsidies at all? (prays prays)
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:10:28 PM): i dont think its ethical, its a favour.
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:10:31 PM): haha
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:10:33 PM): ok ok
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:10:36 PM): no prob with that
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:10:58 PM): thats good.
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:11:01 PM): first issue.
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:11:03 PM): singapore
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:11:07 PM): how muct time do you need?
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:11:28 PM): i don`t need any time to consider.. i`ve already told haque about this. clearly..
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:11:42 PM): i won`t team up with quek.. for his benefit and mine
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:11:52 PM): (though my reasons are a little selfish)
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:12:15 PM): first off.. quek should stop debating
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:12:18 PM): selfish??
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:12:24 PM): not as in stop debating completely
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:12:31 PM): he needs to sit and watch.. proper debates
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:12:34 PM): adjudicate or something
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:12:49 PM): no one can learn from being in the low rooms all the time
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:13:15 PM): and he needs to know how proper debate is bering run... the points.. the analysis
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:13:37 PM): everything...
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:13:46 PM): and me..
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:13:49 PM): well you see alex, no offense, but at some debates the seniors feel at instances quek gives better speeches than you
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:14:15 PM): that`s why i said. my reasons are a little selfish
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:14:18 PM): the reason ull are paired up is that ull complement each other..keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:14:48 PM): pairing me with haque or any seniors.. u guys will probably feel the same.. as much as quek wants to learn.. I want to learn..
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:14:53 PM): I`ve debated with quek all the time
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:15:01 PM): well then if you hav that attitude, is justified to ask how much u should be allowed to represent mmu melaka at any tournaments..
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:15:18 PM): u c we have started to function as a proper society as of now
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:15:23 PM): you gusy are seriously taking this advantage as I`m one of those few ppl who does have a problem with ques
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:15:24 PM): quek
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:15:45 PM): and in proper societies with less members these are the issues you have to deal with
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:16:21 PM): why don`t u or haque partner him.. i`ll adjurdicate
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:17:08 PM): for the very same reasons too right
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:17:16 PM): the thing is that haque and i want to go to worlds, on self funds, so we need to see our compaitability
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:17:32 PM): plus we have never partnered
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:17:39 PM): wait.. quek say ur not going
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:17:53 PM): well firstly tell me.. do u think quek is not a debater of your standard??Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:18:32 PM): well i have some passport problems which does not gimme 100%confirmation
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:18:36 PM): but ill do anything to go
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:18:37 PM): i don`t know what`s my standard is.. but if you want to ask whether he is even fit to make a proper debate.. as of now.. no
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:18:50 PM): u think you are?
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:18:54 PM): seasonal
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:19:13 PM): sometimes yes.. sometimes no.. and as much as I want.. I would like to adjuricate
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:19:18 PM): adjudicate*
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:19:25 PM): and not be a team player?
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:19:44 PM): you are going to debate at philippines
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:20:00 PM): i told haque that i wanted to adjuricate.. and he refuse
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:20:12 PM): anyway.. i told you.. we`re aren`t going to learn anything from each other
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:20:14 PM): well you see the way i see it if you are better debater if you can lead a junior.
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:20:24 PM): the blind doesn`t lead the blind
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:21:18 PM): if I`m going to sacrifice 2 holidays, and money, I want to learn something from it
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:23:39 PM): i respect your right to choice, but can you try one last time for which we will never pair you with him unless the tryouts deicde that you are to paired up
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:24:47 PM): btw if this was an asians try would be with quek
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:25:38 PM): Dale dale.. please.. for one time.. think in my shoe... I know i loathed low level debates.. whether I`m adjuriating or debating it. Maybe you don`t know.. but ask Siew or anyone else.. I go crazy adjuricating a lousy deabte.. I just want to avoid that as much as possible... and if i go with quek.. with both of us not even half as good.. we`ll both stuck in that room through out the debate and neither any of us will learn anything
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:25:49 PM): and btw.. if this is ASIANS.. I DEFINETLY won`t go..
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:26:01 PM): definitely*
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:27:03 PM): i understand i am queks only / best friend
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:27:19 PM): but i am your friend the same time
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:27:40 PM): look.. it`s not about u or quek.. actualyl one of the reasons why I don`t want to go to philippines is the same one
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:27:55 PM): personally ihav seen quek at better debates, in the law debates, he has his good times and he has his bad times, lik you
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:27:57 PM): but i go anyway. because haque wants me to go ...
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:28:12 PM): he wants you to go as a debater.
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:28:13 PM): and as a consolation.. adelene`s oging also
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:28:31 PM): ok thn debate with adeline
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:28:41 PM): that would sux too
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:30:04 PM): wait wait, if adeline is going and you are going and quck so we are sending one team and 3 adjudicators.
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:30:15 PM): wait wait
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:30:34 PM): adelene`s not going to sing
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:30:39 PM): i told you that already
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:30:49 PM): shows wht a pussy these three adjudicators are..not to debate whn they can form a team, also this will not reflect our reputation
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:31:12 PM): ok i dont get ht ur saying
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:31:19 PM): neways i hav 5 mins to send the rego forms
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:31:23 PM): u in or out?
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:31:39 PM): don`t get what i`m saying?
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:31:42 PM): ok. two things
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:31:49 PM): 1) Adelene`s not going to Singapore
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:31:56 PM): 2) I`m not debating with Quek...
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:31:59 PM): the rest.. your call
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:33:36 PM): well you have not put me in a position to make it your call...debating is a mature business and both you and quek have to mature..that is my call..thats what ifeell.. i also feel by this decision of yours you hav shown that you do not respect the judegement of your seniors
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:35:17 PM): and at the same time. what I said about adjudicating is better for quek than debating.. does not even go through ur consideration
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:36:02 PM): my decision is still the same.. i gave u the conditions. you can already get an answer form there
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:36:06 PM):
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:36:32 PM): well you are not at a position to offer any should think about that b4 u start taking control
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:36:37 PM): honestly speaking
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:36:39 PM): ..
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:37:27 PM): we have bigger plans for you, as you hav been a dedicated member, but now the thing is how capable are you to be a team player and be worthy of our vision for you
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:38:13 PM): if a mojorty of the cyber squad can pair up with juniors at hte mmu iv we do not c any problems with you and quek
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:38:31 PM): LOOK.. I`M not a senior and quek`s not a junior
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:38:37 PM): I`ve already team up with him countless time.
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:38:48 PM): i know what our progress are.. and I know what we can learn from there and what we can`t
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:39:19 PM): and right now. I KNOW that we are`nt going to learn anything if we are going there to debate with both of us in a team
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:39:28 PM): if you even care about ur members imporiving
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:39:34 PM): listen i do not have the energy to explain things rite nw that i htot u wud already know by now
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:39:39 PM): neways time is wasting..
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:39:53 PM): illlet you knw if we are sending two adjudicators
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:40:01 PM): ok
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:40:35 PM): u can put me out if you care so much about reputation.. (us sending two adjuricators when we can form a team)
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:40:48 PM): just so u know.. and I would really want quek to adjudicated
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:41:02 PM): ciow dude
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:41:39 PM): alrite fine
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:41:51 PM): we are sending two adjudicators
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:42:21 PM): i respect your decision bcoz its quek
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:42:39 PM): huh
Dale Becker (10/10/2006 11:43:03 PM): we are sending two adjudictors..
keen1987 (10/10/2006 11:43:18 PM): ok..

what`s with all those character assasination, saying that I sux then talk about cyber`s senior pairing up with junior.

People will say anything just to have it their way......

Right now, I pissed and I don`t even feel like going anywhere.. not even Phillipines. Go to hell man.

I don`t care what you, or the club thinks of me. I don`t care if I`m not some kind of prominent debator to be. I don`t really care if I even going to be the top debators in the world. In fact.. I fucxxxxx hate debating.

I debate because I want to learn. I debate because I want to know how people think (mature ones). And if I`m not getting any of these.. why should I debate in the first place.

*and Quek, if you are reading this.. which I really hope u do. It`s really time for you to sit back and stop talking (debating). The conventional idea is to talk less and listen more.. Then when you know more..than only start speaking. That goes the same for me.. and a lot of people.

This space is my simple escape from the harsh reality. Expect lots of random rants and whining apart from the daily reporting of things going I`m going through.

Take nothing seriously, leave comments, or just a simple hi. The world is getting smaller by the day, why not know each other now. Have fun ya all.